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In part 2 we continue our conversation with Matthew Goldstein, SPPA with the Greenspan Company/Adjusters International Matthew will share insights on how to evaluate your current coverage, negotiate the best settlement from your insurance company, and other ways he can help the homeowner through the rebuilding process. Get to know more about Matthew Goldstein, visit https://www.greenspanai.com/
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Episode 7: How An Independent Insurance Adjuster Can Help When Dealing With a Home Disaster â Part 2
Jana: Welcome back home builders and remodelers. This is the second half of our two-part series on hiring a public adjuster to negotiate your settlement after a major property loss. To catch up on the process of how to get started, please check out last weekâs episode by going to www.fromdisastertodreamhome.com. Matt Goldstein, SPPA is my guest again today. He is a licensed public adjuster with the Greenspan Company Adjusters International. This week letâs start with the evaluation of your coverage. Most mere mortals really do not understand the terms and conditions of their insurance policies. The coverage limitations, the valuation methods, filing methods required, and the time limitations.
 This is job security for you, Matt. How many of your clients do you feel truly understand the coverages they carry?
Matthew Goldstein: Very few. I think unless youâre in the insurance industry or have gone through a claim before and know how to put together the proper policy, then very few, less than 10%.
Jana: And how do you understand the policy language?
Matthew Goldstein: Iâve been reading policies like I read the newspaper for the past 30 years. One of the misnomers is that every insurance policy is the same. Well, itâs not. Every one of them is different. Every carrier has little nuances to their policies and different coverages and different allocations of funds that you have to read every single policy every single time, and we do sort of a coverage analysis. We have a small form that we use just for internal purposes so we make sure weâve covered all of the little extras that you would find in your policy.
Jana: That might be an interesting thing for consumers to have some kind of checklist to know what theyâre looking for when theyâre purchasing a policy.
Matthew Goldstein: Well, yeah, most homeowners, for example, theyâre looking at their insurance for the building. Theyâre looking at their insurance for the cost to replace their contents plus possibly their living expenses as we discussed on the last episode. But thereâs also smaller coverages for debris removal or code upgrades if your house isnât up to code. Thereâs things that are built into a policy that people donât necessarily know are there, and the insurance company isnât always forthcoming with that knowledge because that saves them money if they donât pay it out.
Jana: Yes, that is also job security for you. The first thing that you personally did after you visited our broken home was to gather all of our coverage documents and read them, something I didnât have the bandwidth to do at the time. What does the process of evaluating the coverage include?
Matthew Goldstein: Reviewing the policy and outlining the building coverage, the contentsâ coverage, the living expense coverage, looking into any additional coverages that are afforded in the policy. Some homeowners policies have a small extension for electronics or some have, if you have a home office, thereâs a little piece of money set aside for your home office equipment, things like that. So weâll go through and read the policy and outline what the coverages are based upon each individual claim so we know what we should be asking for and what we should be invoking and what doesnât necessarily come into play from the policy.
Jana: So youâve made it clear that every policy is written differently. and as a consumer itâs mind-boggling to know what we really are signing up for. Do you have any tips that we could use to understand our policies better?
Matthew Goldstein: I donât know whether, for example, the California Department of Insurance on their website has a basic âHow to read your insurance policyâ thing. There are tips out there. I believe our website does have a research library that people can utilize and it talks about policies and thereâs articles that are written about homeowner policies and commercial policies and different situations and different disasters and how different claims are handled. So thatâs always a resource that people can use.
Jana: Iâve come to understand, in the case of the recent fires in Southern California that affected our clients, many people were underinsured to rebuild. How often do you find people are underinsured for the situations they find themselves in?
Matthew Goldstein: Unfortunately, more often than not, and again, I think itâs a situation of not necessarily knowing proper valuations, not knowing what youâre looking at, having an insurance policy thatâs been in effect for a number of years and not reviewing your coverage or updating your coverage, things like that. I can remember one of the clients that I represented in Montecito had a homeowner claim, and they had the home insured for a certain amount of money. As a result of the Northern California, Napa fires that had happened just before the fires in Santa Barbara, the homeowner was smart enough to say, you know what? I donât think I have enough coverage, and he called his broker and doubled his policy right then and there.
His house was then wiped out three months later by the mudslide so he was lucky that he had done that. Had he not done that, he wouldnât have had enough insurance. There are times when people just donât know. We have been successful in the past, especially in disasters where weâll go back and take a look at the history of the clients insurance. If we find that the agent or the broker has never come out to the house or never offered more money or things like that, we can utilize that to increase the coverage right then and there. So if your home was destroyed and your broker hadnât upped your limits in 10 years, itâs very easy to make an argument that the broker was negligent for not doing something. And so the million dollars you had on your house that should have been 2 million, we found ways to get that coverage instituted immediately.
Jana: So there is some responsibility for an ongoing revisiting of peopleâs policies from the brokerâs perspective; itâs kind of considered their job to keep you up on what you need and how things change.
Matthew Goldstein: Sure, there are. The problem is in todayâs quick internet sources, you buy an insurance policy through certain carriers, then itâs all done online, or itâs all done over the phone. When you talk to an 800 number, and itâs someone in some part of the world whoâs taking your information and putting it into a computer, and that computer algorithm spits out a policy for you. So thereâs no real human being that youâre in touch with. So most of the larger carriers, the direct writer companies, State Farm, Allstate, Farmers specifically, have their own agents, and those agents sell only their products and those agents should communicate with you on a regular basis and visit your property and see what improvements youâve made or discuss your insurance coverages.
If you work with an insurance broker who takes your information and shops your insurance to a bunch of carriers to get you the best possible policy, again, itâs the brokerâs responsibility every year or two to check in, âHey, did you make any changes to your building? Is your business still the same? Do you still have X amount of dollars in inventory or has your business grown, and do you need to up your coverage?â
Jana: Yeah, thatâs actually true; you bring up two important points there. I recently had a client that had an incident, and they had redone their kitchen six months before; they had just finished their kitchen. So of course, we had a full accounting of what had just been done in the upgrade. Itâs really important for people to keep track of the changes theyâve made so that itâs the insurance companyâs responsibility to help you because youâve lost your kitchen⌠Theyâre not going to just repair your kitchen to the 1952 original. Theyâre going to have to bring it up to date to what it was when you lost it.
Matthew Goldstein: Correct.
Jana: So saving all those receipts and a record of what you do in addition to checking in with your insurance carrier, is a good idea. The other interesting thing about this is that the year we moved into our house, one of these giant eucalyptus trees fell on a house down the street, seriously injuring a woman. They were out of their house for at least a year, and I immediately called my insurance broker, and I said, âListen, if a tree falls on my house, am I covered?â And I did increase my insurance. I didnât plan on the tree falling on my house, but somehow I always knew it could.Â
If a person is underinsured, what will be expected of them in the rebuild?
Matthew Goldstein: It sort of depends upon why theyâre underinsured. For example, if youâve got a million-dollar repair policy and your loss is $1.5 million, unfortunately, nine times out of 10, youâre going to be responsible for coming up with those additional funds. Your insurance company doesnât necessarily owe you anything above and beyond the insurance you purchase.
Jana: How does the situation differ whether you have a mortgage holder or whether youâve owned your property outright.
Matthew Goldstein: I donât know that that necessarily comes into play. I find that most people who have a mortgage on their home have better insurance because you have to insure your mortgage. If you own a million-dollar home, thatâs the cost of the home; it doesnât necessarily cost that much to fix it or rebuild it. So a lot of times, mortgage companies will come in when you buy a house and say, âOh, you only bought a half a million dollars of coverage. You donât have enough insurance.âÂ
Theyâre interested in you insuring the mortgage, which you donât necessarily need to do. The mortgage company canât force you into a value.
 You need to consider, if this house were to have a fire, what would be the cost to repair? If itâs less then the value of the house, you can insure it for less, saving you a little bit of money.Â
Jana: Can a homeowner decide to pay off their mortgage and sell the lot if theyâre not able to rebuild?
Matthew Goldstein: The homeowner can do whatever they want with the funds. If thereâs a mortgage company, then the mortgage company will usually take some control of the money because they want to make sure that you reestablish the value of the home. Theyâre holding a note on your home that is worth X amount of dollars, and if you were just to take the money and run and leave them with it, theyâd foreclose on you, but theyâd also be left with a home that has half a million dollars worth of damage that they now have to come out of pocket for.
So normally the insurance company will pay out directly to the mortgage company. The mortgage company will put that money into an escrow account and pay it out to your contractor and inspect the house and make sure that you are reestablishing the value in the home. You do have the option of taking the settlement funds and paying down or paying off the mortgage, and then you are left with the property in whatever state itâs in, and itâs yours to do with what you want. If you want to knock the house down and sell the land, great. If you want to fix it out of your pocket, thatâs up to you. Youâre not beholden to anyone.
Jana: Okay, so there are options.
Matthew Goldstein: I donât necessarily encourage people to pay off their mortgage unless⌠It depends. Itâs kind of a cost-benefit ratio. If youâve got a million dollar settlement and you owe the mortgage company $25,000 left on your note, by all means, I think thatâs a good investment to pay that off. Then you have control of your own money, and you can do what you want when you want to do it to whatever extent you want.
 If youâve got a million-dollar claim and a million-dollar loan, then I donât know. You have to take a look at what your future goals are and what you want to do. Do you want to rebuild the property? Do you want to have to come out of pocket to rebuild the property? Do you want to let the insurance company money rebuild the property for you and then still have to pay your mortgage? You still have that mortgage but have the value back in the property.
Jana: That brings up a question: the insurance company has contractors that they send in to do the pricing and get their evaluation figured out. But in my case, I knew so many contractors personally I couldnât imagine using a stranger, even though they were perfectly good guys. I really wanted to use someone I knew. How often do people just go with the insurance companyâs contractors, and is that easier? Would we have had fewer stumbles if we had gone with their contractor?
Matthew Goldstein: I think that uninformed people and people who are traumatized sometimes will simply say, okay, thank you for sending out X, Y, Z contractors. Go ahead and fix the house. And they donât get involved in the pricing of the job. And sometimes, that contractor takes advantage of the homeowner, the insurance company, and what they charge. The job still gets done. It still gets done right, but is the price that theyâre paying⌠They take advantage of the insurance policy, use it to the contractorâs benefit, and ensure they get a good deal out of it.
One of the things weâre going to do is to go out and get our own contractor to come in and write our own bid to compare it to the insurance companies and get the full amount, the proper settlement that youâre entitled to. And then, from there, the homeowner can choose whomever they want to make the repairs. In your instance, you knew people, so you could manage it yourself, get the best price, and use your own tradesmen. A lot of times that happens. A lot of times, people hire our contractors. It just depends. Every instance is sort of different.
Jana: Okay. Then, the next set of questions may be a bit out of your expertise, but you may be able to shine a bit of light on the process of securing and using the funds after the settlement is made. You started to talk a little bit about that, earlier. I understand the process can differ depending on the bank holding your mortgage or if you donât have a mortgage.Â
Iâm sure that the reason for this process is so we cannot walk away from the property and travel the world with the money.
In our case, the funds were given to us to do the work on a percentage system. The insurance company gave the money to our mortgage holder, and the mortgage holder doled it out in increments, which I felt showed very little understanding of what the schedule to rebuild a house should look like. And the budget dollars were sent to both the contractor and me so that they had to be signed by both of us. It was an extremely challenging and time-consuming aspect that caused a lot of delays. And, it was a challenge with the deadline to move out of our alternate housing. Is what happened to us with the cash flow process typical?
Matthew Goldstein: It is typical for a mortgage company to give the budget money out in draws. Usually, we see either one-third, one-third, and one-third, or sometimes theyâll do 50% upfront, then 25 and 25. Most insurance companies will send an inspector. We encourage people to use the 50% example to have your contractor call the mortgage company when theyâre getting close to the 50% completion so they can send an inspector out and verify that yes, this workâs been done, this money has been spent, and they can release the next draw. Every mortgage company is different, so I canât speak to how exactly they do it and how quickly they respond.
No mortgage company likes to give up money until the very last minute, making money on your money, but eventually, it gets done. But yes, Iâve heard of similar situations that you described where it causes delays in getting the money released. There are times when mortgage companies will keep a 10% retention until the job is done just to guarantee that the job gets done, and that causes people to have to come out of pocket. There are lots of different instances and lots of different ways that itâs done with a mortgage company. Everyone is different, and most of them are complicated and annoying.
Jana: And because the money now has gone from the insurance company to the mortgage company, thatâs not something youâre in a position to negotiate.
Matthew Goldstein: No.
Jana: Right.
Matthew Goldstein: The mortgage company is named on the check as a condition of the insurance policy. Your insurance policy will have an additional loss payee clause that will name your mortgage company. And so that gives them the right to get named on the check, and then they put the money into the escrow, and from there⌠A homeowner can negotiate with their mortgage company about how much they will release sometimes. Depends upon the relationship. It depends on how long youâve been with the bank. It depends on how much money you have in the bank. There are lots of different little nuances to it, but mostly, they hold onto it and give it out in draws.
Jana: Painfully so.
Matthew Goldstein: Yes.
Jana: So if thereâs no mortgage holder, if you own your property outright, then youâre negotiating with the insurance company, and how is that money dispersed? How is that process handled?
Matthew Goldstein: Well, thatâs simply a check written to you.
Jana: Okay.
Matthew Goldstein: Yeah, itâs similar. When you settle the contents portion of your claim, your mortgage company doesnât own your contents, so theyâre not named on the check. So, If you have no mortgage company, then the check just comes to you, and youâre responsible for keeping an eye on the contractor, making sure he has done what he says he has done, and for paying the contractor and/or not fixing your house and traveling the world with the money.
Jana: Right, exactly. Thatâs exactly where my head just went. Iâm like, what could I see with that money in the world and then be homeless? But at least I will have had life experiences. And are there any differences in how the money process is handled if itâs a mudslide, hurricane, fire, or tree?
Matthew Goldstein : No, all of the payouts and all the claims are usually handled the same way.
Jana: Is there any way to help us understand the inspection system for determining the work that has been done to free up the next amount of funds? That is the vaguest, most frustrating thing in the entire process. It seems practically arbitrary, and it truly depends on whether the person visiting your home had a donut with their coffee in the morning or only had the coffee, not the sugar.
Matthew Goldstein: I would agree. Iâve heard horror stories of contractors calling for a mortgage inspection saying that theyâre 50% done, and the guy comes out and says, well, I think youâre only 46% done, so Iâm not giving you any more money. Call me in two weeks. From what I understand, you have to pay the mortgage company an inspection fee. Some mortgage companies charge $500 to send their inspector out.
Jana: Yeah, we had to pay for the inspection visits, but also, is there a published list that would help us understand what they expect to see at 50%? It just seemed unbelievably vague.
Matthew Goldstein: Yeah, thatâs not something we normally get involved in once the funds are turned over to the homeowner or mortgage company. Thatâs between the mortgage company and the contractor. So that would be a good question for a contractor. I wouldnât have the answer to that.
Jana: We wanted to take the opportunity while we are out of our home to make some additional structural improvements, as I was saying. What are we typically allowed to do?
We actually opened a wall, and we redesigned the interior of our home. While we were out of the home, it made complete sense if we were ever going to do extra work that we do it, then. So what are the rules? What are we allowed to do?
Matthew Goldstein: There really are no rules. A mortgage company, again, is going to look at you putting the value back into the home. Theyâre holding a note for X amount of dollars, so they want to make sure that you spend the money and put it back into the home, fix the home, and reestablish the value. The insurance company doesnât necessarily care what you do as long as you put the money back into the home. So if you can take the funds and build an extension on the house or put in a pool, thatâs really up to you. How you use the funds is up to you as long as you technically use them to fix the house.
Jana: On our project, I operated with that understanding. But I found that the insurance companyâs adjuster was difficult and judgemental of our process.Â
 He was questioning the fact that it took a long time due to the money process and the negotiation process, to be able to get the work started. He was attributing the delays to the extra things we were doing, which was not what was causing the issues. So, does that kind of put an adversarial aspect to the work?
Matthew Goldstein: Yes, sometimes, thereâs two factors there. One, itâs the living expenses, and if he sees that you are making wholesale improvements to the house that werenât there before, and they look at that as possibly extending the time of repairs, and they donât owe you for that, they owe you the time to put back the house the way it was. Itâs also an issue with negotiating the settlement of the building claim. If we are asking for significantly more than what the insurance company is willing to offer, even if the scopes appear to be the same, if, for some reason, the insurance company understands that you want to add two rooms to the house, that theyâre going to dig their heels and then say, well, you really donât need that extra $25,000 because my price is too low.
You need that $25,000 because youâre adding stuff onto the house, so youâre insured for what you had previously at replacement costs, so thatâs the overall goal, and then how you use those funds is really up to you. So I always encourage people to not necessarily discuss changes or upgrades that they want to make to their house with the insurance company. Keep that to yourself, and once the claim is settled, then you can figure out how you can vocalize to your contractor how you want to fix the house.
Jana: We settled first before we started the work, but then we did have some additional negotiation to do as a few things were discovered. I almost fell into the same tight spot that many of my clients do, which was to take the circumstances and possibly overbuild. We were considering an addition, and I came to my senses at a certain point and cut back on some of our plans. Do you ever need to reign in your clients and bring them back to the reality of what they can and should do under the circumstances because the insurance company is watching you?
Matthew Goldstein: Yes. We call it adjusting the client.
Jana: Adjusting the client. Yeah.
Matthew Goldstein: Before I came back to Southern California six years ago, I ran our Las Vegas office for 15 years, starting in 2001. I found that everyone in Las Vegas is looking for a deal. Everybodyâs got an angle. Itâs sort of a cliche for that city, but itâs true. Everybodyâs looking at the insurance policy, and the insurance claim is a windfall to them. How can they take advantage of someone? There is that mentality in Southern California as well, but not to the same extent.
But there are times that people look at an insurance claim as a windfall and how they can turn their small one-bedroom house into a McMansion, and you really have to understand that you are insured for what you had and not for what you want. And within reason, weâre going to settle your claim, and weâre not going to. I personally am not going to commit insurance fraud for anyone. I donât particularly want to go to jail and lose my license. So there are times when you have clients who have unreal expectations that you have to adjust their expectations.
Jana: I have a recent project Iâm being interviewed for where these people feel that theyâre in a tight place financially. Itâs a Malibu fire, total loss, and they designed a multimillion-dollar home. Well, they could have designed a $1.5 million home and then afforded an interior designer to make the process easier for themselves. So theyâre negotiating with me because theyâre afraid theyâre out of money. You donât have to triple the size of the home you lost, you just have to build something youâre going to love.
Matthew Goldstein: Exactly.
Jana: After our roof was secured and we were safely housed, the next step was negotiating the settlement. After the property is stabilized and the scope of work is determined, what is the actual negotiation process for the settlement?
Matthew Goldstein: Both sides would exchange estimates and take a look and see how close together we are and identify the areas of dispute, whether itâs pricing for finished work, or labor or square footage that is different, or we feel that the flooring has to be replaced. The insurance company says, âOh, no, you can fix the flooring.â Things like that are determined in the scope, and then thereâs a negotiation that goes on until everyone agrees We do our best to reach a settlement with the insurance company. We present that to our client, and our client will accept it or say, âNo, I think we need to go back and do a little bit more,â and weâll go back and forth until the homeowner or the insured is happy and the insurance companyâs happy, and a settlement is achieved.
Jana: And during that process, who are you talking to? the adjuster assigned to us by the insurance company ?
Matthew Goldstein: Iâm talking to everyone. Iâm talking to the insurance adjuster, Iâm talking to the contractors, Iâm talking to my client. Weâre trying to find a happy medium for everyone. So Iâve got an adjuster who feels that weâre asking for too much money. Iâve got a homeowner who wants their home put back perfectly. Iâve got a contractor who knows how much itâs going to cost to rebuild the house, and he wants to make a little bit of money on it also. So weâve got to mesh all three of those things into one comprehensive settlement.
Jana: And on the insurance company side, is it actually the adjuster that comes to the house that youâre negotiating with?
Matthew Goldstein: Yes
Jana: How are the differences between what we felt we should be covered and the insurance companyâs interpretations negotiated? You had a guy that came out that did budgeting that wasnât a contractor or an auditor. Tell us about that guy.
Matthew Goldstein: I think in your situation, we used an estimator whoâs a licensed contractor and doesnât necessarily look to rebuild a property. Still, he is a contractor, utilizes the computer programs we use for estimating, and prepares an estimate for the repairs. So itâs similar to a contractor. Itâs just someone whoâs not necessarily looking for a job. If a homeowner feels that they have their own contractor they want to use, weâll just bring in an estimator as opposed to a contractor.
Jana: Okay. I see. So, the Greenspan Company website said that you should not proceed with the permanent work until you have an agreement. We lost a couple of months to the process of valuation and negotiation, which increased the months we had available to be housed. At a certain point, you felt that we needed to get the work started before the replacement of our kitchen was negotiated, and we expected to be able also to negotiate some funds for the repair of our landscaping during the process. How far along do you usually get in the negotiations and settlement before you suggest the work gets started?
Matthew Goldstein: It depends upon the situation. Every claim is different. I always encourage people to clean up the house, secure the house. If thereâs demolition and debris removal that needs to be done, thatâs something thatâs important to do right away because depending upon where the building is, it could be, we call it an attractive nuisance. Youâll get looters who will go in there. Iâve got commercial buildings in downtown LA that youâre running off people every day who are going in there trying to steal the copper or steal the debris because they can make money on that and you donât want to have an unsafe situation. So that sort of stuff you want to do as quickly as possible. From there, we get an estimate put together and we negotiate a claim. Itâs never our intention to extend a negotiation or make it take longer than it should. Sometimes depending upon the insurance company, the insurance adjuster, the coverages, thereâs a lot of factors that dictate how long a settlement takes to negotiate.
There are times when, yes, I will encourage someone while weâre in the process of getting something done to start work. I can think of a situation now where Iâve got an insurance company whoâs taking an extended period of time in responding with an estimate, but the homeowner is anxious to get back in his home. So weâve had the demolition done, weâve had the framing, the numbers on areas of things that weâre not too far apart on. Weâve had the framing redone, the roof is getting done. These are things that weâve agreed with the insurance companies that need to be done. We may have to go back and negotiate a price later, but itâs okay to get that started to keep the ball rolling.
Jana: Yeah, we actually had some small fuzzy looters in our house. We used to get here in the morning, and there would be raccoon tracks inside, and it took us a couple of days, or maybe longer, to figure out that we hadnât placed the permanent closure in our cat door, so we had raccoons that lived in our house while we were gone.
Matthew Goldstein: Interesting.
Jana: The fees for your services were based on our settlement amount. Can you explain to us how that works?
Matthew Goldstein: Sure. We charge a percentage of what we recover on your behalf. That percentage varies depending on the size of the claim. There are other factors involved, but essentially, itâs negotiable based on the size of the claim is the easiest way to put it. And itâs a contingency fee. We donât take money upfront. There are no expenses that youâre charged for. If we, for some reason, donât recover anything or your claim is denied, then you donât owe us any money.
Jana: Is there a dollar amount at which a person should look for a public adjuster, and an amount under which it doesnât really pay ?
Matthew Goldstein: I would always encourage someone to consult with a professional in any instance. Is Greenspan going to take on a small $10,000 water loss when youâve got a $2,500 deductible? Probably not because it doesnât pay for our service. Weâre going to have to charge such a fee that at the end of the day, youâre going to pay us more money than youâre going to have left, and then youâre not going to be able to fix your house or your business. And weâre not in business to do that. Weâre not in the business just to make money. We love to make money, sure. But at the same time, weâre also here as an advocate and want to make sure that our clients can reestablish their lives and our cost is minimal or of no impact to them because we increase the settlement to the extent that we pay for ourselves.
Jana: I can personally attest to the fact that you legitimately helped us significantly increase our claim, rightfully so, from what was first proposed by the insurance company. How often is that the case where youâre able to increase the settlement to the point that youâre covered?
Matthew Goldstein: Oh, every time. Thatâs our goal in every situation. Weâre pretty good at evaluating something before we even go into it, especially when we can see the insurance policy. For example, take a look at a large industrial fire, if we can take a look at the policy and see how much coverage is, we can have a pretty good understanding of the value of that claim before we get started. So we can figure out whatâs a fair percentage that we can charge and make some money and make sure that the business owner, the building owner, has the ability to reestablish themselves as if the incident never happened.
And there are good public adjusters, and there are bad public adjusters. I think itâs that way in any industry. And yes, there are people in my industry who will go out and charge you next to nothing, but then theyâre going to put forth that effort, or at the same time, youâre going to have people who overcharge when they shouldnât take advantage of people. So one of the things about our reputation is that weâre very fair and make sure that everybody ends up equally.
Jana: So Matt, is the insurance company glad that I called you, or do they not want a public adjuster on the project?
Matthew Goldstein: I would say the majority of the time; theyâre not happy that weâre involved because they know that we are going to utilize every aspect of the policy and get the homeowner or the business owner everything that theyâre entitled to. There are times, depending upon the size of the claim and the level of the adjuster, where thereâs mutual respect. the larger claims that I tend to handle, you get larger level adjusters who have as much experience as I do. They appreciate the fact that weâre involved because I may have 40 or 50 active clients, most insurance adjusters have closer to a 100 to 200. So they have a lot going on, and if they know that Iâm involved, Iâm going to do all the work for them, Iâm going to put together the estimates, and Iâm going to put together the claim.
So when I hand it to them and they know our reputation is that weâre going to do it right the first time that they are happy that weâve done their job for them and they just simply need to review it and rubber stamp it and itâs done. 9 times out of 10, though itâs adversarial, theyâre not happy. But again, that depends upon the carrier. It depends upon the experience of the insurance adjuster what theyâve experienced in the past. Again, there are good public adjusters, and there are bad public adjusters, and there are some people who leave a bad taste in the insurance companyâs mouth, and that sort of taints the business for everyone.
Jana: In closing this segment of the discussion, in our experience your services greatly enhanced our settlement and got us through a horribly challenging time. My tip to people is to be careful with your funds and to stay realistic about what you can accomplish with what you settle on. Do you have any final words of the wise to share?
Matthew Goldstein: Yeah, understanding the claim, it is a traumatic experience, and people tend to make rash decisions sometimes, and people need to think about whatâs going on in their lives. One of the unfortunate situations, and I donât know if it happened to you or not, is when you have a loss, especially a fire. Itâs public because itâs on the news, people are bombarded with people from our industry, whether itâs contractors or public adjusters. Thatâs just how it works. Sometimes people make rash decisions, and they donât think it through, they want people to go away, so they just sign a contract, and thatâs that.
I always encourage people to think about the process, wait, study, go to websites, look at the people. If itâs a contractor, look at their reviews on Yelp and look at reviews on the contractorâs board. Make sure people donât have complaints filed against them. Same thing with public adjusters. We have a website, we have Yelp reviews, and we have Better Business Bureau reviews. I think you can probably go to the Department of Insurance since weâre all licensed in California, and look at our licenses and ensure weâre in good standing. So do your research and ask questions, and there are no dumb questions. If you donât know whatâs going on, ask a question. Youâve never experienced this, and this is what I do on a daily basis.
So, we understand how to help.
Jana: I think personal recommendations are really important. You donât know who in your circle might have experienced working with a public adjuster. You were personally recommended to me by a builder that I trusted, which helped me considerably, although I certainly did a little bit of research at the time, and Iâm so glad you were on our side.
 I want everyone to know that if they have any additional questions about a property loss they are experiencing, the contact information for the Greenspan Company Adjusters International is on our website, and you can check out their website.Â
Our website is fromdisastertodreamhome.com, and you can click right onto their website from ours. Thank you for your guidance through my personal insurance claim, and thank you so much for your time and expertise for our listeners.
Matthew Goldstein: Youâre very welcome, Jana. It was lovely to see you and Iâm glad youâre back in your home and seemingly happy.
Jana: Itâs unbelievable what we actually accomplished, and every year it becomes more and more of a distant memory, and as long as the other two trees that are in front of my house donât fall, I hope not to need your services.
Matthew Goldstein: I donât particularly care for repeat customers when it comes to homeowners. You can have one incident and thatâs it.
Jana: Yep. Thatâs a good policy. Thanks so much, Matt.
Matthew Goldstein: Youâre very welcome. Thank you.
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